9 de Marzo de 2010
La preocupación de Miguel Bosé
"Estoy preocupadísimo por este culto a no pagar nada. Dentro de poco entrarán a robar la comida a los supermercados".
La frase de arriba es de Miguel Bosé en una reciente entrevista a El País. Es una declaración sorprendente pero en absoluto orginal. Ya en 2008 la abogada Marisa Castelo mostró semejante preocupación cuando dijo:
"Es difícil inculcar a un chico que la piratería es un delito cuando a sus padres les parece bien que “se baje pelis” porque así no les pide a ellos dinero. En cualquier caso, espero que el fenómeno se quede sólo en la sustracción no violenta, porque como el modelo siga degenerando veo a la gente asaltando los concesionarios de coches…".
David Bravo a las 11:43 PM | Referencias 0Hombre la gente podrá descargarse lo que le dé la gana pero no por eso van a ser después delincuentes.
1 | john | 9 de Marzo de 2010 - 11:58 PMA mí me pasó el otro día. Tengo un negocio familiar, un pequeño hostal en la montaña que nos lleva con el agua al cuello. El pasado lunes entró un tipo y se llevó unos euros allí de una manera absolutamente increíble.
Era un abogado de la SGAE, al parecer tengo que pagarles por tener una radio en el local.
2 | Pyme | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 12:13 AMEste chico es tonto. Como cantante es pésimo, pero como intelectual, no tiene precio. Anda y que se vaya a depilarse el orto...
3 | Mónica | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 12:14 AMSi, es verdad, a mí se me está empezando a ir la pinza de mala manera: respondo mal a mis padres, me estoy volviendo más agresivo con mis amigos y cuando voy al panadero siempre me meto un pan de chapata debajo de la chaqueta (sin pagar ni ná).
Fumo porros desde los 14 años y me meto coca desde los 19, pero yo le digo a todo el mundo que mi actitud es culpa de bajarme canciones de Carlos Baute del megaupload.
4 | Downloader | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 12:19 AMMiguelito tú no cobras el canon que pagamos todos los españolitos.....???, no me lo creo....
Miguel yo a al super no ire a robar pero a tu casa si que iria, como tu lo has hecho en la mia.
Que pandilla de vagos.Deberían dejar en 5 años el límite mmaximo para la explotación por PI.
Saludos Sr Bravo
5 | ikillers | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 12:22 AMNo creo que haya mucha gente que se baje tus canciones. Así que tranquilo.
6 | Ahriman | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 12:28 AM¿Por qué los "artistas" que más se lamentan siempre de las descargas son siempre viejas glorias trasnochadas cuyo momento pasó hace mucho, mucho tiempo?
7 | Carlos | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 12:33 AM¿Qué los hace tan deficientes? ¿el dinero,las amistades, el entorno? ¿o no son tan tontos y es pura provocación?
El día que me cobren un "por si robas en un supermercado" lo primero que haré será intentar descargarme la zona de los chocolates del Lidl y si no lo consigo me compraré una gabardina con bolsillos hasta los tobillos. Eso si no me han cobrado ya un "por si robas una gabardina", claro.
Miguel Bosé canta mal, ¿por eso debería pensar que puede llegar a quemar pelucas de ancianas? Pues eso, churras y tal.
9 | Ideeme | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 01:00 AMHome, si robo un pan en el super y el pan original se queda ahí, os aseguro que robaría uno, y otro y otro. Para repartirlos, que siempre hay alguien que tiene hambre.
10 | Peregrino Hood | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 01:28 AMVaya!!, se me están cayendo todos los mitos. Primero fué Ramoncín, luego Victor Manuel, después Chenoa...
Estoy muy preocupado, amigos, todos mis idolos me están traicionando...
Como diría el gran pensador de nombre Maradona, que la ch..., que la vayan ch...
Gracias, amigo David.
11 | Eusebio | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 02:23 AM¡Uy, sí! Yo ya me pongo pasamontañas cuando conecto el e-mule, y desde que descubrí las web de enlaces me han dado unas ganas locas de subirme a un campanario y disparar a la gente...
¡Si serán borricos!
Ahora diran que los piratas de barcos comenzaron entrenandose en el top manta.
Me encanta lo que esta haciendo este hombre defendiendo a la sociedad que es la que realmente importa en este pais, no 4 tontos sentados en una silla que ponen leyes abusrdas porque a ellos les van bien.
13 | Ruben | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 04:29 AMEste Miguel Bose solo hace esas declaraciones y las de Cuba para " estar en el candelabro" y que hablen de el por que saca nuevo disco que sabe que la gente no va a comprar, intenta provocar a ver si vende alguno, leeros el articulo de la firma y lo entendereis http://casasrisa.blogspot.com/2010/03/miguel-bose-no-compres-el-disco-de.html
14 | Boicot a Miguel Bose | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 06:28 AM¿cuando se ha pagado por escuchar a Miguel Bosé en la radio?
¿cuando se ha pagado por verle en la television?
¿cuando se ha pagado por oir musica en los bares?
¿cuando se ha pagado por oir musica en las fiestas populares, en las peluquerías...?
¿cuándo se ha pagado por copiar cassettes?
Lo que es nuevo no es "el culto a no pagar nada", sino que el único nuevo "culto" que ha surgido es el de querer cobrar por estar en el aire, porque te vean o porque te oigan.
18 | Doraemon- | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 09:25 AMPues eso no es nada. A este paso, los artistas van a comenzar a robar minutos de publicidad en televisión, dejándose entrevistar "en exclusiva" para promocionar su último disco, sin pagar ni un duro a los televidentes que pagan la tele de todos.
¿Cómo vamos a inculcar a los demás artistas que la publicidad gratuita es un delito para nuestros bolsillos? A este paso veo a demás artistas asaltando los programas de televisión, todos con su último disco en la mano... !ups!
19 | Arturo Quirantes | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 09:33 AM"Estoy preocupadísimo por este culto de cobrar toda la vida por mierdas hechas en una tarde. Pronto cobrarán hasta por sus pedos" Yo
20 | jorgemvd | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 09:40 AMP. ¿Cárcel para manteros?
R. Es que es ilegal. Estas preguntas no se deberían ni hacer. Cuando veo un mantero con mis discos, tiro de la manta y llamo a la policía. Me está robando.
Un tío que tiene millones sienten que le roban un dudoso lucro cesante personas que no tienen ni qué comer. Asombroso. Supongo que como siga esta costumbre dejaremos de tener sanidad pública.
21 | AB | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 09:44 AM@Doraemon: Las radios pagan por poner música, igual que las televisiones, los bares y las fiestas populares (y ahora también las peluquerías). Y por copiar casettes se paga desde 1987, si no me bailan las fechas (cuando se creó el canon, vamos).
Entiéndase que por "pagar" me refiero a "pagar al artista de turno"... Lo cual me lleva a la falacia que emplea el señor Bosé, y es que no existe un "culto a no pagar nada", puesto que se paga cuando se realiza una copia (pues asumo que es a eso a lo que el señor Bosé llama piratería, otra falacia más ya que no es piratería), e incluso cuando no se realiza.
22 | | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 10:09 AMVenga, gente, vamos a piratear chuletones... aaaah, no, así acabaríamos con el hambre y les dejamos sin galas benéficas de las que tanto se vanaglorian... (y de las que la SGAE se lleva un pico o sí o sí)
23 | AnyKiller | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 11:26 AMMiguel no se si tienes razón pero desde que he leído tu comentario me están entrando unas ganas tremendas de llevarme el pollo envasado que vi ayer en el Mercadona, parecía que me llamaba y todo
24 | Álvaro | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 11:59 AMYo estoy preocupadísimo por ese culto a cobrar por todo.
Siempre cuento la misma anécdota y no he encontrado a nadie que me explique la lógica del asunto:
1999 un grupo sueco va a interpretar sus canciones en directo por primera vez en España. Los han traído unos entusiastas aficionados anticipando dinero de su bolsillo. Cuando el concierto llega a su fin se persona un individuo que se identifica como sicario (esto lo digo yo) de la SGAE a reclamar un porcentaje de la recaudación en concepto de derechos de autor, bajo amenaza de denuncia. Esta actitud sólo se justificaría imho si procediesen en el acto a entregar dicha cantidad a los autores, esto es, los integrantes del grupo que estaban presentes en la sala. Obviamente, no fue así, con lo cual tenemos al única parte que ganó dinero en ese concierto: la SGAE, dado que tanto grupo como organizadores salieron lo comido por lo servido.
25 | Txus | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 12:00 PM¿Es que el pendejo mayor y todos vosotros todavia quereis cobrar mas?, ¿no tendreis nunca bastante?, nosotros no somos el enemigo somos los clientes aunque no os acordeis nunca de ese pequeño detalle, y según trates a tus clientes así te irá el negocio.
No hay peor tonto que el que no quiere aprender, pero en fin que sigan que sigan que ya se lo encontrarán, todo tiene unas consecuencias y las que ellos estan generando todavía no se han visto.
¿Pero no decía el pendejo mayor que el top manta era una mafia?, que ganaba millones de euros, de ahí que los manteros cuando se van acasa cogen su BMW y tan felices vuelven a su chalet en la Sierra o en Miami, despues de forrarse vendiendo CD a 3€.
Los manteros de los que tiras de la manta son pobre gente explotada que mal viven vendiendo unos cd de pésima calidad copiados por vete a saber quien y que recaudan una miseria, no creo que exista ninguna mafia detras, sencillamente os van bien para lloriquear un poco mas y pedir mas y mas y mas para llenar vuestras abultadas cuentas.
En vez de hacer eso podrias dedicarte a cosas mas productivas creo yo, trabajar, componer o dejarnos en paz y no soltar tantas tonterias.
A los artistas que curran cada dia, lo han dicho públicamente, la "pirateria" no les afecta, puesto que su trabajo no se lo pueden piratear, solo les copian unas cuantas canciones por las que cobrarian una mierda.
La gente SIEMPRE ha accedido a la música sin pagar (un intermediario para poner o tocar la música de otro quizá sí, pero eso es otra cosa totalmente distinta de lo que hablamos).
Por escuchar música en la radio nunca se ha pagado, ni por verle dar brincos en la tele cuando era jovencito.
No hay ningún nuevo "culto a no pagar nada" en música, porque la música desde el paleolítico siempre ha sido gratis, y siempre ha existido acceso gratuito a la música.
Simplemente hay que tener las orejas abiertas, y ya es de coña que nos quiera cobrar por esto.
Lo que tendríamos que plantearnos es el extraño y muy moderno "culto a pagar por todo".
Eso es lo que requiere una explicación, y no lo que es consustancial a la naturaleza humana.
Y es cierto que la radio paga, la TV paga.. y ahora las peluquerías pagan... pero esto es LO RECIENTE. En un principio la discográfica de Bosé pagaría para salir por la tele, en vez de cobrar.
Pero de todas maneras en la difusión paga el intermediario, nunca el señor que la escucha. El señor que escucha el 90% de la música que se escucha desde hace décadas, NUNCA PAGA.
Cuando dice esto de "Estoy preocupadísimo por este culto a no pagar nada"... ¿de qué demonios habla?
Yo, y mi madre, mi vecina, mi suegra... todos hemos escuchado seguramente miles de veces a Miguel Bosé Y NUNCA HEMOS PAGADO NADA.
Bueno, sí... por ser famoso (casi por obligarnos a conocerle por colárnoslo su discográfica en television, radio y prensa) y aunque nunca hemos decidido comprarle nada, le tenemos que pagar a él algo de dinero por la memoria de nuestra cámara de fotos, por ejemplo.
Y lo preocupante es "el culto a no pagar nada"... cágate, lorito.
28 | Doraemon- | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 01:05 PMPero si ha dicho que las canciones ya no son suyas. Que son de la gente. No os preocupéis, si ya lo tiene asimilado xD Yo lo que quiero que sea mío es la ELO o Alan Parsons, no este.
30 | Star80s | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 01:44 PM"P. ¿Cárcel para manteros?
R. Es que es ilegal. Estas preguntas no se deberían ni hacer. Cuando veo un mantero con mis discos, tiro de la manta y llamo a la policía. Me está robando."
Miguel Bose. El País.
"P. ¿Cárcel para los de la $GA€?
R. Es que es ilegal. Estas preguntas no se deberían ni hacer. Cuando veo a uno de la $GA€ con el dinero que he tenido que pagar por el canon de los aparatos electrónicos que utilizo para mis trabajos y no para sus patéticas canciones y películas, salgo corriendo tras de él y llamo a la policía. Me está robando."
1Qalkiera. Blog de David Bravo.
31 | 1Qalkiera | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 03:11 PMSi de verdad piensa que es cierta la tonteria que ha dicho, Miguel Bosé es imbécil.
32 | DJM | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 03:32 PMaqui yo creo que hay una nueva sicusion, algunos artistas nos deberian pagar a nosotros por escuchar su musica, que tormento! de verdad que se tendrian que callar la boca no vaya a ser que lo hagamos.
33 | JSO | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 04:24 PMAlgunas canciones del Sr. Bosé me gustan. Algunas causas que apoya las comparto. Y otras (de las dos cosas), por supuesto, ni me gustan ni las comparto. Es el caso: la comparación que hace es falaz.
Si tuviésemos una tecnología capaz de replicar a bajo coste y alta calidad la materia, como p.ej. los bienes que se pueden adquirir hoy en cualquier supermercado, y enviarla a distancia a través de un cable eléctrico, estaríamos moralmente obligados a hacerlo. Sería el fin de la pobreza y la necesidad. El fin del dinero. Con una sola patata o grano de arroz, replicándolos, alimentaríamos a comunidades enteras.
Como siempre, la gran diferencia estriba en que hablamos de duplicar, clonar y en ningún caso de sustraer.
De momento esa tecnología sólo la tenemos disponible para clonar la información por medios informáticos y transmitirla telemáticamente. Y lo hacemos.
Si el Sr. Bosé cree que beneficia a sus intereses el defender —y depender de— modelos de distribución obsoletos es culpa suya y de sus asesores comerciales. Que no eche la culpa a la sociedad. Las "nuevas" tecnologías digitales de la información y la comunicación están ahí para todos. Quien se quiera quedar al otro lado de la brecha digital tiene un problema él —o no, pero que por lo menos sea consecuente—; pero no los demás.
Saludos cordiales,
Ahora voy a comprar la discografía de Bosé. :)
w3wes@jamon-espana.com.es
35 | Pablo Sanchez | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 06:26 PMEstá muy, muy preocupado, por eso ha diversificado sus inversiones en jamones y jamonas:
36 | Carlos | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 06:47 PMSeguramente ya estés al tanto, pero fijate en esta noticia, interesante:
37 | adrian | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 07:05 PMDentro de poco entrarán a robar la comida a los supermercados? sin comentarios...
38 | abogaciaglobal | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 08:26 PMP. ¿Cárcel para manteros?
R. Es que es ilegal. Estas preguntas no se deberían ni hacer. Cuando veo un mantero con mis discos, tiro de la manta y llamo a la policía. Me está robando.
Ostias con el progre.
39 | paula | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 08:48 PMA ver "preocupadíssssimo"... sigue con las patatas fritas. Si no tienes nada bueno que decir, mejor... cierra la bocaza.
40 | "preocupadíssssimo" | 10 de Marzo de 2010 - 09:59 PM#Doraemon, el culto a pagar por todo tiene un nombre técnico, SINDROME DE BAUTISTA, y ademas es contagioso vease Alierta (Telefónica),Sebastian(ministro de industria) y algunos casos mas, esta tomando el cariz de pandemia.
No estoy de acuerdo contigo en lo de que la música siempre ha sido gratis, no es exactamente así, siempre que han tenido que pagar por ella los que la ofrecen te lo cobran directa o indirectamente, gratis , gratis no lo son ni las descargas, si tienes el ADSL gratis dime con quien lo has contratado.
Lo que pasa es que ahora con el sindrome de Bautista es un descaro como echan mano a nuestra cartera esos parasitos (y no me refiero a los artistas en general).
Si los que realmente "roban" a los artistas son las discográficas... ¿Por qué ningún artista dice nada a propósito de ellas?
Corregidme si me equivoco, pero creo que algo al respecto había dicho Alaska, hace mucho tiempo y casi retiran sus discos de las tiendas.
Hace poco fui a un concierto de Pitingo, el que hizo un comentario que me pareció curioso (que después sacó a colación David Bravo en el programa de Buenafuente)
dijo, que la pirateria efectivamente hacia que se comprase menos discos, pero que el número de gente que iba a los conciertos era mucho mayor que antes.
¿Entonces? Las únicas que salen perjudicadas son las grandes compañías discográficas, que ven cómo ya no tienen el poder de decidir que cantante saca a la palestra y quien puede publicar un disco.
Es una vergüenza que la Sgae siga funcionando a costa del canon, y de lo que roba a miles de usuarios.
Antes teníamos miedo del palo de hacienda, ahora lo tenemos de Tedy Bautista y toda su chusma de abogados que se creen que son el Cid Campeador.
Obviamente no haré alusiones al comentario de Miguel Bose, porque esta persona ha perdido todo el crédito que podía tener, después de comparar ciertas dictaduras con casos concretos de nuestro país, o decir estupideces como la que aparece aquí. Que sus cuatro amiguitos de turno le compren los discos.
Por cierto, hace poco que descubrí a David Bravo y desde entonces no puedo parar de ver videos suyos, me encanta, por fin una persona que tiene dos dedos de frente y planta cara a esta gente con las leyes en la mano y con un diálogo tan sencillo que los desarma.
¡ÁNIMO!
44 | Gelen | 11 de Marzo de 2010 - 10:34 AMQueda bautizado el "síndrome de Bautista". Me gusta el nombre. A Alierta y Sebastián podemos añadirle también a Steve Jobs, por ejemplo (quiere que le pague cualquiera que le ponga una pantalla táctil a un teléfono).
Lo de que la música siempre ha sido gratis... siempre ha habido música gratis, y en algunas ocasiones, pocas, ha habido música de pago para el que escucha.
Pero lo más habitual de largo ha sido la gratis, la que hace el propio grupo social para sí mismo, desde los masai hasta lo que hacían nuestros abuelos en los pueblos cantando canciones populares.
En algunos sitios y épocas había músicos profesionales como los trovadores que cobraban la voluntad, o músicos profesionales pagados por la colectividad, como la música religiosa (el obispo contrataba a Bach, por ejemplo, y luego se tocaba su música en todas las iglesias, sin pagar los asistentes, ya que ya se le pagó por la composición inicial precisamente para poder convencer a las masas de lo sublime de la iglesia, lo cual sólo se podía hacer si la música era gratis). También por ejemplo las bandas de pueblo o las charangas.
Los músicos cobran, claro está, pero el que la oye no paga.
Practicamente nunca se ha pagado por oir música.
Música de pago los ha habido (músicos de cámara que tocaban para los nobles, etc.) pero lo habitual para el común de los mortales es que la música sea gratis, o si acaso que se dé la voluntad.
Y en la era industrial reciente esto no cambió demasiado. Estaba la industria discográfica, sí. Pero también la radio, que durante muchas décadas ha sido más importante que los discos en cuanto a horas de música oída.
El músico ha encontrado distintas formas de vivir de su trabajo. Pero muy rara vez ha sido exigiendo un pago a quien le escucha. Esto era algo reservado a las élites.
Y el propio Miguel Bosé debería reconocer que si toda España y Latinoamérica le conoce, es precisamente porque le hemos oido sin pagar por ello.
Algunos, luego, han decidido pagarle por una actuación en vivo o por un objeto a la venta. Pero cuantos miles de veces hemos oido a Bosé sin pagarle nada?
Toda la industria discográfica se ha basado sobre todo en esto, en ofrecer a cierta élite más o menos numerosa lo que con ciertas restricciones ha llegado a todos de forma gratuita.
No se puede por tanto decir que hay un "culto a no pagar nada", en algo en lo que lo normal, lo habitual, ha sido siempre no pagar.
Es como decir que hay un culto a no pagar por el aire que respiramos.
No es un culto; es lo normal.
Miguel Bosé tiene un hotel-refugio en Extremadura ¿pagará canon? Por otra parte, este refugio suyo, el Rocamador, ha sido levantado con subvenciones del psoe ¿queda claro quién es quién?
salud y rocanroll
46 | Alfonso | 11 de Marzo de 2010 - 03:54 PMme gustaría ser su representante: pagaría a la gente porque se llevara el disco !!!
47 | aburrido | 11 de Marzo de 2010 - 04:25 PMhttp://transfronterizo.at.rezo.net/spip.php?article143
El 13, a las 13, a sembrar Madrid de cedés inservibles rayados, escribiendo en ellos el nombre de Miguel Bosé.
Ni un mantero en prisión.
48 | Carlos | 11 de Marzo de 2010 - 04:51 PMentonces... ¿cuando consigan eliminar la "descarga incontrolada de contenido protegido" también eliminarán el canon?
49 | irezumi | 11 de Marzo de 2010 - 05:57 PMPronto llegarán las hordas a explicarnos que en realidad quería decir otra cosa y bla, bla, bla...
50 | Jose | 11 de Marzo de 2010 - 07:22 PMMe imagino la escena del millonario Miguel Bosé paseando por una plaza, con su aire de artista comprometido con las libertades, topándose con un un chaval de 18 años raspaos con pintas de no haber comido caliente en meses y llamando a la policía para que lo encarcelen por vender CDs y siento nauseas.
No me explico cómo se puede ser tan malnacido.
Lo cierto es que la coalición de mafiosos del arte quieren cambiar nuestras insanas costumbres de "no pagar por nada" (según ellos) por otras mas adecuadas como el pagar por todo.
El canon,las subvenciones de la ministra al cine, los gastos que estan generando a la administración y al estado persiguiendo hechos legales como si fueran ilegales, los derechos de autor de obras que no son suyas y cobran, todo eso es "no pagar por nada", pues si llegamos a pagar no te digo...
Que haya artistas que los apoyen demuestra que de tontos hay en todas partes.
#22 Corrijo, se paga a la gestora de derechos de turno NO al artista directamente, por eso ahora hay los abusos que hay.
54 | asmpredator | 12 de Marzo de 2010 - 10:15 AM#22 Corrijo, se paga a la gestora de derechos de turno NO al artista directamente, por eso ahora hay los abusos que hay.
55 | asmpredator | 12 de Marzo de 2010 - 10:17 AM#Irezumi
El canon no es por las descagas, es por la copia privada no te ilusiones, quieren acabar con las descargas pero no eliminaran el canon es un matiz importante asi podrán seguir con el pillaje.
El canon desde hace muchos años se ha aplicado para compensar a los autores por las copias que hacíamos con los cassettes y ahora lo han aplicado a todo aparato que pueda remotamente manipular ,copiar o reproducir archivos de musica.
La diferencia es que antes se aplicaba a aparatos que razonablemente se podia determinar que se utilizaban solo para copiar música y ahora se aplica a dispositivos que entre muchas de las funciones que tienen hay la de copiar música con lo que la cosa queda como un expolio ilicito por si copias con un dispositivo que la mayoría de las veces no se utiliza para copiar música.
Se han inventado un impuesto preventivo, como si la DGT nos multara a los conductores por si hacemos algún dia una infracción y no nos pillan, es lo mismo.
Por eso Bautista cobra 24500€ al mes y nosotros no.
Supongo que cuando este señor haya dejado un libro a un amigo, por ejemplo, se habrá dado cuenta de que está favoreciendo ese "culto a no pagar nada"...
57 | David González Calleja | 12 de Marzo de 2010 - 10:42 AM#56: No, no es lo mismo. Las multas preventivas son ilegales, pero el canon ni es multa ni es preventivo, porque no tiene nada que ver con ningún acto ilegal (te recuerdo que una multa es una sanción impuesta a posteriori a aquellos que hayan cometido determinados ilícitos).
58 | | 12 de Marzo de 2010 - 10:55 AMPara alucinar con el personaje. No os perdáis tampoco lo que ha dicho en un encuentro digital en El Mundo, hablando de la reforma de la ley de propiedad intelectual como de una cruzada. Cruzada, nada menos, lo que decían los obispos cuando había que quemar herejes...
4. Soy una fiel fan tuya de 21 años, te sigo desde hace mucho tiempo, siendo como eres un cantante con una larga trayectoria a tus espaldas y un público fiel a quienes no nos importa (incluso nos ilusiona) comprar tus CD originales, ¿qué opinión te merece la nueva ley de propiedad intelectual? Un saludo y mucha suerte con Cardio.
¿Qué nueva Ley? De alguna manera se sigue elaborando y se da tanta marcha atrás como marcha alante. Todavía no tenemos nada claro, pero esperemos que esto se regule para que se haga sostenible. La ministra de Cultura no tiene una labor nada fácil, pero me consta que es prioridad esta cruzada.
http://www.elmundo.es/encuentros/invitados/2010/03/4072/
59 | Carlos | 12 de Marzo de 2010 - 01:06 PMAy Miguelito ¡¡¡...cuánto te echo de menos ¡¡¡. Ahora ya mi niño se hizo mayor y no se me duerme con amenazas del estilo: Duérmete de una p. vez o te pongo al Boselito. Mi gato se murió y ya no puede hacer sus necesidades en el serrín con tu foto. El vecino de al lado se quedó sordo y no puedo ponerle tus cds a toda pastilla pegados los altavoces a la pared como único remedio para que no dé la murga a la una de la madrugada. Se casó la criada buenorra de la vecina del tercero que me enseñaba las t..tas por cada foto tuya que le regalara (era yo tan joven).
Cuánto echo de menos tu efigie de payaso llorón como ejemplo a no seguir en los colegios de infantil y guarderias y de pijo inútil asexuado en los de primaria y Secundaria.
En una cosa tiene razón el Bosé este de las narices. Dentro de poco, acabaremos asaltando los supermercados. Pero la culpa no será precisamente de eMule.
Cuatro millones y medio de parados, más otro millón que está haciendo los putos cursillos más otro medio millón que no le merece la pena pisar las oficinas del INEM porque directamente yá le dá igual...
Cuando se acabe el dinero de las ayudas y tal, ¿Se van a quedar tranquilitos en sus casas con críos que mantener, una hipoteca que pagar y sin expectativas de empleo?
La pasma va a tener mucho trabajo!
61 | ESDLH | 13 de Marzo de 2010 - 11:38 AMMás me preocupa a mi el "pagar por nada" un impuesto revolucionario. Pagarlo al almacenar mis fotos en un CD, pagarlo al comprar un teléfono móvil, pagarlo para almacenar mis trabajos en un USB.
"Como el modelo siga degenerando" capaz que cualquier día metan detectives en tu boba, te esperen con una lista negra en la cual figura tu foto a la puerta del cine para registrar tus pertenencias o irrumpan en tu domicilio exigiéndote los discos duros tuyos y de tu familia. ¿CÓMO?, ¡QUÉ YA LO HACEN!.
62 | vin | 13 de Marzo de 2010 - 11:48 PMEstá tonto el Bosé, no se tiene que preocupar por el culto de no pagar y las redes p2 ya que no le afecta...Quien se iba a molestar y perder el tiempo en dar un par de clicks para bajarse una canción de él...
63 | Búho | 14 de Marzo de 2010 - 01:54 AMCasualmente, me toca de cerca el caso de MIguel Bosé, ya que tengo un amigo que lo es también de el, y no entiendo de que se queja, si solo con Papito ya ha ganado + de 4 millones de euros. Alucinante lo que la gente es capaz de escuchar y más aún de comprar.
64 | Pepe Arrecrema | 15 de Marzo de 2010 - 11:51 AMIgualito que Pérez Reverte en su reciente entrevista en Pagina2 (TVE), diciendo que no le preocupa lo más mínimo que alguien se descargue su libro porque él ya tiene la vida resuelta (cita no literal).
65 | Doraemon- | 15 de Marzo de 2010 - 02:08 PMYo estoy preocupado con los artistas que se les ha pasado el arroz y ya no pueden vivir de las rentas...porque se dedican a montar puticlubs en Cuba asociándose con afamados actores porno.
66 | MiguelyNacho | 15 de Marzo de 2010 - 07:02 PMJoe, Miguelín... pues el que debe andar robando en los supermercados, pero hace ya la ostia de tiempo, debes de ser tú, porque MENUDA BARRIGA TIENES MACHO. Estas para hacer anuncios de tallas grandes más que pa'hacer discos.
Dedicate a dar conciertos (HASTA LOS 67 AÑOS, según dice el de la ceja que es amiguete tuyo, ¿no?) y verás que bien, macho... como todo quisque, ¿no? ¿O es que tú y tus amiguetes sois distintos de la plebe como nosotros?
PD: hay que disculparlo, chicos... ¿no veis que no da para más?
67 | calígula | 16 de Marzo de 2010 - 09:17 AMY ahora encima ha cambiado de nacionalidad y se ha hecho Colombiano, para según él, mediar con las Farc y sus secuestros y entrar en política... yo alucino, lo que pretende ya que no vende nada (porque por suerte existen los Fito&Fitipaldis etc), es medrar y colocar las posaderas en donde sabe, seguro seguro, va a sacar tajada, es increíble.
Si hay que pagar por escuchar música, entonces por mirar un cuadro ¿qué hay que hacer Miguelito?.
por eso le conceden subvenciones de dienro publico sin control al uso q le da, por sus empresas q no van, eso tb es robar
69 | perdutt | 20 de Marzo de 2010 - 03:22 PMYo soy autora como Miguel Bosé, aunque no gane ni la cuarta parte que él, pero entiendo muy bien a lo que se refiere cuando habla de "robar".
La cuestión es que los autores cobramos un porcentaje sobre la venta de nuestras obras y también cobramos derechos por copia.
Por ley, el porcentaje que deberíamos cobrar sería de un 10 % de lo que cuesta un libro o un disco, comprado, claro. En la realidad es muchísimo más bajo; por ejemplo, un 0,5 %, un 3 %, un 5 % de lo que declare (ja ja) haber vendido la discográfica o la editorial. Y, ahora, por favor, haced un esfuerzo de imaginación y poneos por un momento en la piel de los autores.
Imaginaos los que tenéis nómina que cobrarais un PORCENTAJE bajo SOBRE los RESULTADOS producidos por vuestro trabajo... que vuestro jefe, además, os engañara respecto a esos resultados, diciendo que son menores y, en consecuencia, os pagara menos de lo que os habéis ganado... Imaginad que Mari Pili no declare el uso de vuestro producto o que lo robe de Internet... Todo eso que no cobraríais. Pero los autores no os podemos tocar vuestra nómina ni hacerla más baja de ninguna de las maneras...
Quizás haya autores con muchas ganancias que quieran donar a una ONG el dinero que ganan vendiendo discos... o quizás quieran colgar su música gratis. Por mí como si tiran su dinero al viento mientras tocan el ukalele. Pero dudo que mi vecino del quinto esté a favor de que alguien le toque su sacrosanta nómina... Y yo, desde luego, no quiero que nadie se descargue mis libros o se los fotocopie ilegalmente.
Como digo, a mí, como a vosotros, me gusta cobrar por mi trabajo y que nadie me "sise" un duro. Yo no puedo, ni quiero, descargarme nada que implique la más mínima reducción económica del fruto de vuestro trabajo. Y no quiero, desde luego, basarme en cuestiones alfanuméricas ni en redes de amigos para poder hacerlo. Respeto el trabajo ajeno. Espero que respetéis el mío. Y no, no hacemos un libro ni una canción en una tarde. Desde luego, no es como tirarse un pedo, como se dice más arriba; ¡ni muchísimo menos! Muchísimas veces se trabaja para nada; es decir, sin resultados; es decir, sin cobrar nada.
¡Saludos de una autora, y que gozéis por mucho tiempo del dinero que os ganáis con vuestro trabajo!
Para hacer famosos a los "autores" las webs están muy bien, para poner al alcance de todos lo que algunos usuarios estiman oportuno compartir... Para eso no.
Es necesario ajustarse a las exigencias de la sociedad, no ajustar la sociedad a "la medida". Cobrar con la publi, por ejemplo. En fin... Piratas: ELLOS.
71 | Caledor | 20 de Marzo de 2010 - 09:12 PMPues a mí me preocupa que tíos que dependen del capitalismo, se les concedan espectaculares privilegios sólo porque le hacen campaña electoral a un partido.
Vete a la Cuba de Fidel, Miguelito, a ver si ahí ganas más pasta.
PSOE=LeySinde.
Cada uno que haga lo que quiera.
A la del 70 le digo que:
1º Yo me iría de una empresa así el primer día.
2º Imagina que le tienes que pagar un porcentaje de tus ganancias a cada profesor que en tu vida te ha formado, ya que gracias a su aportación tú ahora puedes ganar dinero.
3º Imagina que te piden pagar un impuesto para pagar los robos que se producen en todas las casas de españa, sobre todo la de los ricos.
#70: A ver si lo entiendo... ¿Te roba tu editorial, y la culpa es de los que nos bajamos cosas (cosa que te recuerdo que es legal, y por la que ya cobráis incluso cuando la ley dice que no deberíais; y si no es cobráis por ello no es por culpa del que hace la copia sino del que reparte el canon) por internet? ¿Teniendo en cuenta que NADIE se ha bajado JAMÁS tus libros (y no, no me hace falta saber qué has escrito para afirmar esto)? Pues que quieres que te diga, me parece que va a ser que no.
74 | | 21 de Marzo de 2010 - 10:44 AM"Cuando veo un mantero con mis discos, tiro de la manta y llamo a la policía. Me está robando". Respuesta a otra pregunta de la entrevista.
Eso, y a ser posible que le fusilen para que no lo haga más.
Menudo elemento...
70: Ya nos ponemos en la piel de los autores. Hacen una cosa y quieren sacarle el máximo beneficio económico. Es totalmente comprensible, y todos lo hacemos. Pero lo apoyamos siempre y cuando se haga de forma razonable. Hay cosas que son razonables, y cosas que no.
Servirle un plato de calamares a una persona a cambio de un precio es razonable. Pretender ponerle una cámara encima para cobrarle si luego en su casa cocina esa misma receta, no es razonable.
Si con algo de lo primero vives, y todo lo mejor que puedas, maximizando tu beneficio, viviendo lo mejor que puedas, nadie te va a decir nada. Pero si lo que quieres es lo segundo, claro que te lo vamos a decir. Si no se puede sacar el beneficio suficiente por un trabajo porque el negocio no da de sí tal y como está planteado, en vez de pedir una remodelación entera de la sociedad y sus leyes, lo lógico es cerrar el chiringuito.
¿Te pones tú en la nuestra ahora? Curramos todo el día (el que tiene suerte) en una cosa que no nos gusta hacer, pagamos la mitad del dinero en la hipoteca de un piso de mierda, sin apenas ver el sol entre semana y sin ver a tus crios encerrados en una guardería, y sin poder faltar ni un día porque entonces te vas a la calle. Y de repente un tío que se pasa la mitad del año de vacaciones en su mansión, y que recorre el mundo en hoteles de 5 estrellas y se dedica a lo que más le gusta hacer, nos llama a nosotros ladrones y se queja de su merma de ingresos por nuestra culpa, queriendo cobrar más por algo que ya hizo en el pasado mientras ahora está ocioso.
Y nuestro tremendo delito por el que le debemos pagar es copiar en nuestra casa algo que él ha escrito, ya sea con boli bic, con fotocopiadora o grabadora de CD o ADSL.
Y leer esto pensando que es él el que vive de nosotros, y no nosotros de él, te cagas en su p...
¿nos ponemos todos en lugar del otro, o qué?
Y lo de que al vecino del quinto no le gusta que le toquen su nómina: resulta que esa nómina se la paga un tío que en cuanto saque menos de él de lo que le está pagando, lo dejará en la puta calle. Y que no puede faltar ni un día.
Y tú o Bosé, pobrecitos que sois que no tenéis la tremenda suerte de tener nómina fija, estáis viviendo de un trabajo pasado. Tenemos que comprenderos, y hacer un esfuerzo económico por nuestra parte recortando esa nómina para que no ganéis menos mes a mes por lo que hicisteis hace un año o dos, ¿no?
77 | Doraemon- | 22 de Marzo de 2010 - 01:48 PMYo veo más delincuencia que me cobren a mí un canon por comprar DVD´s y grabar mis vacaciones de verano. Para que después ese impuesto del rey Eduardo II de Inglaterra sea repartido entre los coleguillas de la SGAE, que en principio son una sociedad sin ánimo de lucro.
A mi me parece mas robo que cantantes defrauden a hacienda y oculten dinero en paraisos fiscales, PRESUNTAMENTE, como un cantante de un famoso grupo europeo que dejo de pagar impuestos por unos ingresos de 150mill de euros, eso me parece un robo.
79 | cat | 24 de Marzo de 2010 - 11:15 PMA mi me parece mas robo que cantantes defrauden a hacienda y oculten dinero en paraisos fiscales, PRESUNTAMENTE, como un cantante de un famoso grupo europeo que dejo de pagar impuestos por unos ingresos de 150mill de euros, eso me parece un robo.
80 | cat | 24 de Marzo de 2010 - 11:16 PMSoy musico "profesional" desde hace unos años, he trabajado a menudo dando giras por toda españa, cargando en mi hombro baterías y amplificadores, que por si alguien no lo sabe, pesan bastante, y decir que después de un viaje de 5 horas en una furboneta que no cabe ni un pelo, montar el equipo tocar hasta las 5 de la mañana, y luego desmontar, y otras 5 horas para llegar a otro sitio.
Es muy sacrificado, pero bonito el poder vivir de algo que realmente te gusta, la diferencia con este señor es que yo no cobro esas cantidades de dinero enormes por un concierto, y el no tendra los dolores de espalda que tengo yo. Considero al musico una profesión cualquiera, y aunque se clasifique como arte, el arte reside en todos los oficios, o no es de artista encofrar bien una obra, dibujar mapas topográficos, defender la razón ante la justicia, etc. Todos estos trabajos comparten la misma esencia: si trabajas duro, si tienes una idea o proyecto ingenioso y bueno, y si de verdad te gusta, en cualquier campo empresarial conseguirar mucho dinero, buena posición social, y todo lo que quieras. Pero algunas profesiones hasta ahora con estar en el sitio adecuado en el momento adecuado han convertido a holgazanes en autenticos millonetis, que cuando el agua les empieza a llegar por el tobillo solo les preocupa secarla cuanto antes, y dejar que todo lo demas se llene de moho y se pudra. Un musico viviendo de los directos de por si aguantaría, pero aún así, existe el merchandising, la venta BARATA y de BUEN CONTENIDO en los cd's o dvd a la venta si es que no sale una forma de mercado mejor.
A este complicado algoritmo que pueda parecer a algunos de que un musico trabajador, defienda la "libertad" (que curiosa esta palabra que vuelve a los que un día fueron revolucionarios, en inquisidores) le sumamos que mi segunda y principal vía económica actual es la informatica, pues soi tecnico superior y me dedico a trabajar desarrollando software, etc pues la cosa es un poco rara, o eso les parecerá a "los de arriba". Sin dudo mucho tiempo de mi ocio lo dedico a trabajar en proyectos con licencia GPL, Creative Commons y en general el copyleft, sin duda creo que es ahora el momento de aunar esfuerzos en demostrar que a las tecnologías jamas podrán ponerle barreras, o es que ¿nadie a leido lo que realmente es internet?. un saludo a todos los defensores de esta maravilla de "anticultura" como la llaman.
Anibal
81 | Anibal | 24 de Marzo de 2010 - 11:37 PMMe ha alegrado el día ver tanta inteligencia reunida así, de golpe. de verdad, ha sido un placer, y os felicito a todos.
Es cierto que lo nuevo es la moda de pagar por todo... pero no una, sino varias veces.... o sea... todas las veces...Si hemos sido aunque sea a uno de sus conciertos, y además le compramos un LP, después un cassette, y finalmente un CD.... ¿Es que le no pagamos ya en su día?...Nos dijeron que estábamos comprándolo...¡y de repente, 10 años después, deciden unilateralmente que eso en vez de ser compra es un alquiler! Eso no puede ser legal.....
... en cuanto a Miguelito, le va que ni pintada esa fábula de Esopo en la que una raposa encuentra tirada en el campo una máscara de teatro y exclama: "¡Nunca había visto una cara -léase sonrisa- tan bella! ¡Pero ésta por detrás no tiene sesos!"....(¡Dios! ¿Tendré que pagar a la SGAE por haber citado a Esopo???)))
Emulando al descerebrado de -eso sí-bella sonrisa, yo le replicaría que, a este paso, lo que va a acabar ocurriendo es que, cada vez que queramos releer un libro que en su día compramos en la librería correspondiente, tengamos que pagar el libro entero otra vez.... y cada vez que nos hagamos dos tostadas, tengamos que dejar unas monedas en la ferretería donde adquirimos la tostadora...
Y, por último, me gustaría añadir que peor para ellos, porque era oir sus canciones en la radio u hojear un libro recomendado por un amigo los que nos daba las ganas de adquirir el producto... ahora tendrán que pagarse toda la publicidad de su bosillo, los muy imbéciles, y/o serán, como mercen, olvidados. Que la avaricia rompe el saco, coño.Y la jeta.
82 | Macarena | 25 de Marzo de 2010 - 02:13 AMSois una parida de incultos,tendriais que informaros mejor cuando hablais y no formaros una opinion de lo que escuchais de pasada.Aproposito,para ser un fracasado a vendido mas discos con Papito que muchos de esos que considerais buenisimos y con Cardio es numero uno no solo en España sino en muchos mas paises.Envidia mala,eso es lo que teneis.
83 | Lola | 1 de Abril de 2010 - 01:05 AMLola: y si es número uno y vende tanto... ¿de qué se queja, entonces?
Por cierto, qué alarde de cultura desborda tu comentario.
De mayor quiero ser como tú.
¿hablamos de sus galas benéficas donde va de 'tio enrollao' con el tercer mundo (gracias a lo cual sale en los diarios y se promociona), y de cómo trata a los chavales del top manta?
¿hablamos del culto a no pagar nada, y del culto a cobrar por nada (por los cds donde grabo mis fotos familiares, por ejemplo)?
Ahora que se ha hecho colombiano, seguira hablando con zp de la pirateria?
85 | comi | 1 de Abril de 2010 - 04:49 PMDoraemon:el problema no es lo que dice ni como lo dice,el problema es que es Miguel Bose quien lo dice,porque otro muchos artistas han hecho declaraciones similares y no han levantado tanta polémica.Lo que esta claro, ya sea para bien o mal, es que Bose no es indiferente a nadie.
Yo también descargo,sobre todo películas,pero eso no quita que entienda que no les parezca bien,es normal en cierta forma le estamos robando y a nadie le gusta que le roben y sobre todo nos gusta cobrar nuestro dinero después de desempeñar un trabajo.
Por ultimo Doraemon, seras una gran persona si de mayor eres como yo(ya ves,voy de DIVA, como Bose)
#86: No les estamos robando, ni en cierta forma ni en ninguna forma. Te recuerdo que pagamos por lo que nos descargamos y también por lo que NO nos descargamos. O sea, que están cobrando hasta cuando no trabajan, y les pagamos hasta cuando la ley dice claramente que no les tendríamos que pagar. A ellos, y a sus descendientes hasta 70 años después de la muerte del "artista".
Dime tú en qué otro trabajo se dan semejantes condiciones...
¿De verdad entiendes que se quejen? Porque a mí no me cabe en la cabeza que me roben (porque ellos sí me están robando a mí) y encima me llamen ladrón.
87 | | 4 de Abril de 2010 - 10:07 PM"el problema es que es Miguel Bose quien lo dice,porque otro muchos artistas han hecho declaraciones similares y no han levantado tanta polémica."
¿Como Ramoncín? ¿Rosario "me muero de hambre"? ¿Luis Eduardo "se acaba la música" aute? ¿O a quién te refieres?
"seras una gran persona si de mayor eres como yo"
Las grandes personas no roban, en cierta forma.
88 | Goyo | 4 de Abril de 2010 - 11:13 PMrosario tambien salia con la pandilla sgae, pero ella tendria que callarse un poco ya que en su familia han tenido discrepancias fiscales con hacienda, pero de eso no se acuerda. Usar redes p2p es legal si no hay animo de lucro, ladrones son los que llevan el dinero a paraisos fiscales, como muchos artistas de este pais. Con el 2,5%de lo que esta oculto en estos paraisos, se podria erradicar la pobreza de todo el planeta, todos los que salen quejandose son los que mas dinero tienen. Una persona porque baje peliculas o musica no les produce ningun perjuicio, que pasa que si bajas 1000 discos, has dejado de comprar esos 1000 discos, si te bajas un archivo que contiene 6000 libros has dejado de comprarlos por ello,se estan llevando un canon injusto e indiscriminado. Quien esta viviendo toda la vida y despues de muerto sus descendientes por un solo trabajo, los ciudadanos tienen que ir a diario a trabajar para sobrevivir, a un obrero que hace una carretera no le gustaria estar cobrando toda su vida de la gente que la usa, tal vez por eso los autoproclamados intelectuales esta siempre rondando y apollando a politicos, para conseguir de ellos un trato de favor respecto de una persona de apie. Otra persona que quiere cobrar, la bardem quiere dinero de las habitaciones de los hospitales, a mi me parece vergonzoso que hasta en hospitales de enfermos terminales haya tv de monedas o tarjeta, pero que de ahi quieran sacar tambien algo los "artistas" ya no vergonzoso, me parece obsceno. Còmo oì una vez, si la mierda tendria valor, los pobres nacerian sin culo.
89 | no al canon, no a la sgae | 5 de Abril de 2010 - 02:44 AMIgualar, robar para comer y bajar un mp3 de algun pedoro.
Que poquisima verguenza.
A este ejemplar de universexual globalizado, no le preocupa "¿por que?" alguien, se ve obligado a robar comida,
por aventura? por aficcion? robar una saco de patatas y una garrafa de aceite.
Esperate miguelin, como siga como la cosa, yo tengo mi lista para no olvidar quien son los que tienen mas, y empesaremos por los culpables.
Sr. Bose, ¿por qué no le dedica una canción al Zapaterísimo como hizo su amigo Victor Manuel con Franco y deja de ir por ahí diciendo tonterías?
91 | Sugus | 14 de Abril de 2010 - 12:58 PMDespués de leer muchos de estos comentarios, me asusta pensar en la juventud que tenemos.Qué cultura!, qué sentido crítico! que generación mas mediocre. Así va el país, y con esta gente peor aún. Al final y con estos comentarios, le dáis la razón al Bosé, porque aquí ha escrito mas de un delincuente. Pobres padres, lo que les ha tocado.
92 | javier | 17 de Abril de 2010 - 01:40 PM#92: Se te han caído los argumentos por el camino... Vuelve cuando los hayas recogido.
93 | | 17 de Abril de 2010 - 02:51 PM"porque aquí ha escrito mas de un delincuente."
No tendrás huevos a decir en qué comentarios, adulto brillante y cobardica.
94 | Goyo | 17 de Abril de 2010 - 06:51 PM(92)Tal vez creè el ladròn que todos son de su condiciòn.
La "juventud" a la que se refiere llama a las cosas por su nombre, no son ningunos delincuentes, màs bien lo contrario, quieren un mundo màs justo.
Me quedo con parte del comentario 89 hacerca de los paraisos fiscales, porque yo creo que los delincuentes son quienes defraudan a hacienda y ocultan sus ingresos en esos paraisos, EN YOUTUBE hay unos videos muy interesantes DOCUMENTOS TV PARAISOS FISCALES, LA GRAN EVASION.
LA COMIDA DEBERIA SER GRATIS SR BOSE! LOS RECURSOS SON DE LA HUMANIDAD SR BOSE! SU MUSICA TAMBIEN DEBERIA SER GRATIS....aunque mas de un oido se perderia jajajajaja
MALDITO MUNDO MATERIALISTA!!! EL AFAN POR EL DINERO NOS IMPIDE EVOLUCIONAR!!!
Pero porqué coño se le llama intelectual a este fulano????????????
Por Dios, si TVE dice que la mierda es chocolate tenemos que decir que comer mierda y decir "hmmm, que rica"
Este fulano es lo que es y no creo que haga falta decirlo...
97 | Jose Luis Montans | 10 de Mayo de 2010 - 04:17 PMSimple, no lo escuchemos ni consumamos su obra, de ninguna manera, ni bajándola ni distribuyéndola entre amigos ni comprándola en su empaque original. ¿Por qué escuchar a quien no quiere ser escuchado y además se atreve a llamar ladrón al seguidor o admirador de su música? Si tan sólo nos atreviéramos a no escucharlos, a no ver sus programas, a no asistir a sus conciertos... estoy seguro de que la situación cambiaría. ¿Por qué no promovemos nosotros, los consumidores, una ley para cobrar un impuesto por escuchar a estos trabajadores de la música? Digo que si yo compro uno de sus discos, lo escucho y lo recomiendo, entonces el "artista" debiera pagarme una comisión por la promoción que hago de su obra. Y que me la pague de por vida y hasta 70 años después de mi muerte. No me importa que fuera un centavo por cada vez que lo mencione. ¿Se imaginan la cantidad de dinero que nos debería pagar ahora el señor Bosé por estar hablando de él en este foro? Pero... ¿quién tiene más culpa? ¿El que impone o el que se deja imponer? ¿El que cobra o el que deja que le cobren? ¿El que infundadamente le grita "ladrón" a quien le ayuda a acrecentar su "fama" o quien acepta que se le llame así de manera injustificada sin hacer nada al respecto? Conozco a Bosé desde mi infancia, lo he visto saltar ridículamente y hasta recuerdo más de dos canciones suyas... pero, nunca he comprado un solo disco suyo. Aún así, creo que lo he visto demasiado en mi vida y sin yo quererlo. Me ha sido impuesto, he sido obligado a verlo. Creo que sería una buena idea demandar que ahora él me paguen por eso. ¿Sería bueno,no? Digo, para que la cosa sea justa. Y así podríamos estar horas y horas escribiendo ideas y manifestando nuestra desaprobación a lo que dice Bosé y lo que hacen las autoridades. Al final, la solución más coherente es olvidarlo. Yo, por lo menos, no necesito ya no digamos "robarme" su "obra", sino ni siquiera escucharla. Hagan una lista de todos estos "artistas" --ni siquiera sé si es un término que merezcan-- a los que no vale la pena ni escuchar y evítenlos. Ya no descarguen su música, ya no bajen sus películas, ya no los consuman. Más temprano que tarde estarán rogando ser escuchados. Y entonces sería bueno que les exigiéramos un pago para hacerlo. Por lo menos, yo paso de Bosé ahora mismo.
98 | roseti | 12 de Mayo de 2010 - 10:34 AMYo lo que pienso es que este señor no pierde nada por las descargas, ya que quienes compran sus discos son sus fans y quieren tener el original, y porque alguien por curiosidad se descargue un cd suyo de la red, a el no le produce ningun perjuicio, lo que pasa es que como el y su familia tienen y han tenido dinero se creen superiores a los demas y consideran que la obligacion de los simples mortales es adorarles a ellos y comprar cualquier cosa que vendan. Y esperemos que ahora que ha cambiado de pais deje de tocar las narices con lo de la sgae, lo malo es que haga estragos en su nueva tierra, porque por lo visto hay una cosa que le gusta mas que el dinero, el poder. TODO PRESUNTAMENTE.
99 | marcos | 14 de Mayo de 2010 - 04:10 AMEn Cuba se emite películas en la televisión pública pirateadas de internet. ¿Es verdad?. Leí en una web, que se emitía imágenes de otras teles pagando 0 derecho de autor.
Si es que este Bose es débil con el fuerte y fuerte con el débil.
Estoy preocupadísimo por este culto a pagar por todo. Dentro de poco entrarán a cobrar por la comida que te preparas en casa que proviene de los supermercados.
101 | Juan Manuel Dato | 16 de Junio de 2010 - 11:07 AM@101 no vas desencaminado pero te cobraran un canon para los cocineros, porque tal vez hagas alguna comida que se atribullan ellos su invencion. No es broma los cocineros tambien mencionaron el cobrar derechos de autor porsi alguien hace sus recetas.
102 | sangradoportodos | 16 de Junio de 2010 - 04:57 PM@101: hombre, es que si le das una galleta también al amigo de tu hijo, es un paquete de galletas menos que ellos venden. Normal que esta respetable industria que genera empleo, quiera protegerse de los indeseables que arruinan su negocio...
103 | Doraemon | 18 de Junio de 2010 - 11:18 AMYo lo que quisiera saber, ya que he intentado averiguarlo pero no me contesta la otra parte interesada, es porque no dejan hacer fotografias en cuevas, porque si las haces sin usar flash no causas ningun perjuicio a pinturas rupestres, etc, y dado que los autores de esas obras llevan muertos decenas de miles de años no creo que cobren derechos de autor, y por prohibir te prohiben hasta el movil, que dado que bajo tierra no hay cobertura tendran miedo de que saques alguna foto con el. Lo mismo que en monumentos como castillos, museos, etc, que tampoco te lo permiten. En este pais me he dado cuenta de que hasta la mas minima minucia esta prohibida, pero a los ciudadanos, porque cosas que en otros paises es lo mas normal del mundo hacerlas, en este nada de nada, parece que vivimos en una carcel sin muros, porque se fijan mucho en leyes de otros paises como las del copyright, o los impuestos mas altos que se cobran en esos, pero los beneficios que obtienen a cambio los ciudadanos en esos paises son invisibles a los ojos de la chusma politica se aqui.
104 | marcos | 22 de Junio de 2010 - 08:05 AMMarcos: yo también me hacía la misma pregunta y una amiga que trabajaba en un museo me lo explicó, por si te sirve.
Se hace porque si se pone un cartel donde dice "prohibido hacer fotos con flash" la gente hará fotos, y la mayoría las hará bien, pero de 10.000 personas, a 100 al día les saldrá el flash por descuido, torpeza, o porque les importa un bledo la prohibición. Y luego se justificarán con "ha sido sin querer", "no me he dado cuenta"... ¿y qué vas a hacerles? ¿meterles en la cárcel? pues nada... Pero 100 flashes al día según qué cosas (cuadros, por ejemplo) puede estropearlas, y mucho. Así que se opta por prohibir cualquier foto, salvo que vayas con permiso.
En otros países sí he visto en muchos museos el cartel que prohibe el flash, no las fotos. Aquí debe ser que somos más torpes, inconscientes o maleducados.
Pero vamos, en estos casos es un tema de conservación de las obras, no de propiedad intelectual.
En un castillo ya me extraña más... quizá sea para no molestar a los otros visitantes, no lo sé, o quizá ahí sí que sea para que pases luego por la tienda, que si la propiedad es privada, supongo que querrán hacer su negociete, lógicamente.
En el museo britanico puedes sacar fotos incluso con flash y encima es gratis.
106 | | 28 de Junio de 2010 - 09:10 PM***************************************
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a artistas o quien realmente se ve
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rené, he mirado tu blog y no veo ninguna solución (más bien ciertos tópicos y poco más: igual es que es un secreto secretísimo).
Las posibilidades son:
-mirar a otra parte mientras te hundes, intentando convencer a la gente de que te dé limosnas (que se conciencie del 'problema' y te pague desinteresadamente por algo que puede hacer él mismo: copiar ficheros).
-intentar que los contenidos no sean copiables (DRM): abocado al fracaso. A ver cómo evitas que se grabe la salida analógica y se grabe en formato digital antes de distribuir la obra por toda la red sin DRM. Hay un principio que siempre hará inviable estos sistemas: "Si se puede reproducir, se puede copiar". Se ha hablado de discos inteligentes que tengan un chip como el del dnie y que eviten que tal y tal... lo dicho, no tienes más que conectar la salida de los altavoces a la entrada del micrófono, y grabar, para tirar todas esas tecnologías directamente al cubo de la basura.
-intentar que los contenidos copiados no sean reproducibles: para eso tan sólo habría que prohibir el concepto de "ordenador de propósito general" (casi nada) y obligar a que todos los sistemas operativos vengan cerrados y lo impidan, y para ello prohibir linux, sistemas operativos viejos, e incluso la programación de ordenadores no supervisada para evitar sistemas que burlen este control. Apple intenta usar este modelo junto al anterior, pero para burlarlo no hay más que usar cualquier dispositivo que no sea de Apple, y luego incluso llevar si quieres el archivo al Apple (en caso de querer hacerlo por algún motivo).
-endurecer las leyes y perseguir penalmente al que se copia un disco como si fuera un asesino en serie para disuadir a los usuarios (es fácil: sólo tienes que convencer al gobierno, eliminar los sistemas legales de garantías de derechos ciudadanos nacionales e internacionales, y luego poner a 400.000 guardias civiles, a 20.000 jueces dedicados solo a esto, y construir unas 200 prisiones)
-cambiar el modelo de negocio de la distribución de contenidos y hacerlo acorde a la nueva realidad. Al fin y al cabo todos escuchamos la radio gratuitamente y nadie se queja de que robemos contenidos por escucharlos sin pagar, ¿no?. Y los músicos ganan dinero con eso sin que el usuario tenga que rascarse el bolsillo: al contrario, cuanta más gente te escuche gratuitamente, más dinero gana la radio y más paga al músico. Por otro lado en internet las webs de enlaces demuestran que se puede ganar dinero en internet; quizá en vez de combatirlas, habría que imitarlas y mejorarlas por parte de la industria. La idea es tan innovadora como esperar recuperar mercado ofreciendo un servicio/producto que sea más interesante para el usuario que el que ya tiene (vamos, lo que sabe cualquier comercial desde los fenicios).
Difícil elección...
¿Pero de verdad alguien se descarga algo de este tío?. A mis 34 años solo he escuchado entero el "amante bandido" en plan coña en las fiestas.
¿Cuando se van a dar cuenta de que la guerra la perdieron hace mucho tiempo?. Ahora hay que buscar formulas para que el negocio de la música encuentre alternativas, pero ninguna solución pasa por pretender cobrar por los discos.
Desde el principio de los tiempos los músicos cobraban por lo que sabían hacer mejor, tocar su música. Que desde hace 100 años hayan estando viviendo de las rentas grabadas no significa que eso vaya a funcionar eternamente.
El futuro es claro, los músicos ganarán su pan en los conciertos y las discográficas harán el marketing al artista, quedando los cd´s como meras cartas de presentación y reclamos para acudir a los conciertos, es el futuro imparable.
En cuanto al cine, quizás veremos como los bodrios infumables desaparecen reduciéndose la cantidad de películas en pos de las verdaderas obras de arte. Es mi visión.
Llego tarde al combate....no importa.
Hola,antes de nada quiero decir que todo lo que se ha comentado es cierto,el "Artista",es el que crea el producto,y el "Usuario" somos nosotros,hasta aquí todo bien.
Ahora pongamos un ejemplo:Hoy me he comido un plato de alubias muy buenas,y como resultado de una buena digestión,me siento creativo....voy a guardar mi pedo en un bote!!!!
Como "Artista",he creado algo único,que seguramente nadie pueda reproducir con exactitud(aunque todos pueden echarse un cuesco en un bote),nadie como yo,por lo tanto es una creación digna de ser conservada.Anda!!!! Hay alguien que puede producir copias exactas de mi ventosidad,y venderlas por millones y crear una magnífica publicidad para sacar beneficios!!!!
Aunque a mí me dan tan sólo un 10% de las ganancias,es mas que suficiente(por lo que me costó el pedo,ya ves XD).
¿Pero qué? Hay gente adquiere "MI" creación ilegalmente....esto es abusivo!!!!
¿Yo haciendo la digestión dos horas,incluyendo siesta y calentamiento para esto? ¡por dios!
Me están robando!!!!
Por suerte ha salido una nueva ley que no permite que se reproduzca mi creación sin su permiso,y otra que cobra por derechos de reproducción de mi creación.
(Voy paseando por la calle y de pronto un señor de 140Kgs se tira un enorme pedo)....¡Oiga usted! ¡Me está robando!
(--)
Por favor señor Bosé,piense usted antes de escupir tales brutalidades,no sea que su mierda se deje de embotar o la gente empiece a crear su propia mierda.
Si su mierda se vende bien,¿que le importa a usted que unos pocos la huelan?
Si sus "creaciones" le aportan ya unas sumas sustanciosas,¿Porque le preocupan unas moneditas?
A todos nos llega la crisis,pero compartir ha sido y será siempre la forma de unir a las personas y de que tod@s tengamos lo que merecemos.
Y si vuelve a ver un mantero vendiendo una sola de sus "Creaciones",haga el favor de mirar a otro lado y no avise usted a la policía,que le está haciendo un favor....
Un abrazo libre de impuestos para toda la gente del mundo(incluyendo a los manteros) ;)
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